Keeping Your Eye on the Goal

October 13, 2008 at 8:54 pm 18 comments

As we approach the closing weeks toward November 4th, there seems to be more and more controversial commercials and internet sites and blogs to make us unsure of our stand on Proposition 8.  We need to keep our eye on the goal and stand firm in our knowledge that traditional marriage is what God has designed and it is what God has ordained as the only marriage that He recognizes.  This initiative is too important to just sit by and do nothing.  So we as christians and God fearing people who God love and want to obey Him and say we love Him must do something if only it is just posting sometime on a blog or forwarding emails to friends and family.  We cannot let what has happened in Massachusetts happen in California.  We cannot let our children be influenced that this is sanctioned by God.  It is not!  We must fight as warriors in a real battle to preserve marriage in the traditional form–between a man and a woman.

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  • 1. Mike Wilson  |  October 17, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    I have no issue tolerating religious people, I even work with a few of them and I could tell they were religious before they even told me…..I love and tolerate them like I love my crazy uncle Joe the plumber that refers to black people by the N-word…I know he doesn’t really mean it; it’s just the way he was raised…. What gets at me is that I shouldn’t have liberal elite judges legislating from the bench and telling me that I have to accept their lifestyle choices. I most certainly draw the line at any of these radicals forcing innocent children into that lifestyle….I mean nobody is born that way it’s a choice they make and are very proud of. I am even OK with this pride and the special rights they have where they can park in the middle of the road on Sundays and not pay taxes. But I would really prefer it if these people would just keep quiet, stop trying to define how others should think and live and stop pushing their lifestyle choices on those who don’t agree with them.

  • 2. beetlebabee  |  October 18, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    The Homosexual Agenda

    Author: Alan Sears, Craig Osten

    Q. Craig, with the recent Supreme Court decision in Lawrence v. Texas, and an expected decision from the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts that could create gay “marriage” on American shores, the whole idea of same-sex marriage has come front-and-center in American life. But isn’t same-sex “marriage” just one part of the homosexual agenda?

    A. Yes it is. The agenda of homosexual activists is basically to change America from what they perceive as looking down on homosexual behavior, to the affirmation of and societal acceptance of homosexual behavior.

    It is an agenda that they basically set in the late 1980s, in a book called “After the Ball,” where they laid out a six-point plan for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior — in a decade-long time frame.

    Q. Now, wait a minute. We hear all the time from gay activists that “there is no such thing” as a gay agenda. They snicker at the very idea.

    A. But there is an agenda. They admit it privately, but they will not say that publicly. In their private publications, homosexual activists make it very clear that there is an agenda. The six-point agenda that they laid out in 1989 was explicit:

    1. “Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible.” That was aimed at making people so tired of the issue they would want to give them anything they want to make them shut up.

    2. “Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers.” That’s why they exploited things like the tragic murder of Matthew Shepard. It was a tragic murder, yet they have used that and spun that to demonize people like Dr. James Dobson and other Christian leaders who have taken a biblical stand on homosexual behavior — people who have love and compassion for those trapped in that behavior.

    3. “Give homosexual protectors a just cause.” That was designed to tap into and exploit the almost innate sense of fairness that Americans have; to the sympathy that we have — especially liberals have — for those who seem to be disenfranchised.

    4. “Make gays look good.” That’s what they’ve done through media campaigns, through television programs, like “Will and Grace” and others, where homosexuals are portrayed as the most normal, stable people in America.

    5. “Make the victimizers look bad.” They portray people of faith — people who have legitimate and biblical reasons to oppose homosexual behavior — as homophobes and bigots. They also try to “muddy the moral waters” by getting liberal churches, many of which have thrown out a great deal of the Bible, to say that homosexual behavior is just fine from a theological perspective.

    6. “Get funds from corporate America.” In fact, they have. They have gotten corporate America to sign on to their agenda, and it is very interesting how they have done that. It’s based on fudging the truth — and outright lies.

    By the way, the authors of “After the Ball” admit that the use of lies is perfectly fine in their struggle. Their main thing is to get people to believe them. That is all that is important.

    What’s interesting is that gay activists go to corporations and say, “We are an aggrieved class; we are discriminated against.” Then, on the other hand, they go to corporate America and say, “Look how much money we have. We make double what a traditional family makes. We are a market that you want to advertise to and cater to.”

    Corporate America signs on — whether for domestic partner benefits, or whatever — because they don’t want to alienate that market.

    Q. You mentioned lies. Isn’t one of the lies that homosexuals really want marriage?

    A. That’s one of the biggest lies. Actually, what they have said at conferences — including one international conference in London in 1999 — is that they really don’t want marriage, they want the destruction of marriage. Basically, once they get marriage, they want to redefine it — they call the concept “monogamy without fidelity.” In other words, marriage would mean that you could be with a person but say, “I can go ahead and have sex with anybody else I want, but my spouse and I live together.”

    One homosexual activist said, “We can now dethrone the (traditional) family based on blood relationships, in favor of the families that we choose.”

  • 3. Abby  |  October 18, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    The evidence is in and it’s mounting! Everyone can see it for themselves at http://www.protectmarriage.com, http://www.preservingmarriage.org, and http://www.ifprop8fails.org and on great blogs like yours! Prop. 8 is a vote for American Freedom for all of us (you, me, and same-sexuals). I’m proud to stand with ALL freedom loving Americans to vote YES! On Prop. 8.

  • 4. beetlebabee  |  October 20, 2008 at 6:04 am

    Wendy, did you hear about the sick-out against the schools? Pass it around as far as you can. The California Teacher’s Association gave more than a million dollars from their union dues to support homosexual marriage. It’s outrageous. The schools should know better than to support that kind of indoctrination.

    I’m keeping my four kids home Tuesday, the schools have to get the message that we’re where their money comes from. The bulk of Californians don’t like being messed around with. So if my four kids don’t show up, that’s a lot of money gone from the school that day.

    Teachers can get their union dues that were used to fund no on 8 refunded. It amounts to about 300.00 per teacher. Just imagine if every teacher supporting prop 8 pulled their dues and turned around and gave them to YES on prop 8! Ouch!

    Here’s how:
    http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/10/19/teachers-association-backlash-join-the-sick-out/

  • 5. beetlebabee  |  October 20, 2008 at 6:05 am

    We’ll be writing letters for prop 8 instead and learning about peaceful protest.

  • 6. beetlebabee  |  October 20, 2008 at 6:06 am

    take THAT CTA!

  • 7. Julie Phineas  |  October 21, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Why should anyone who is not Christian be allowed to get married then? If marriage is ‘sanctified by God’ then anyone who got married via civil ceremony, or is atheist, or possibly a religion other than Christian is on your list of people who’s right should be taken away.

    What you’re saying is that anything alternative is bad. So throw out all the crayons in the box and only let your children color with black and white. That is essentially what you are teaching them.

    Understand that once you take rights away from one group, then it’s just a matter of who’s next. What if these were YOUR rights we were voting on???

  • 8. queerunity  |  October 22, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    Marriage equality is a family values issue! Why shouldn’t same-sex couples and their children have access to the 1,049 rights and benefits that come with marriage? Like the right to visit a loved one in a hospital, or to file joint tax returns. Marriage as a term has evolved, it used to mean a man with many wives, than it was a woman being the property of her man, now it is about love and financial planning. Gay & lesbian couples should have the same access to this beautiful institution and would only serve to strengthen it. Don’t hurt our families, vote NO on prop h8!

  • 9. prop8discussion  |  October 23, 2008 at 6:07 am

    thanks for this post.

    Marriage is our culture’s ultimate expression of equality–it takes one man and one woman to create children. Even if a marriage can’t have children or choose not to have children the definition of their relationship expresses this equality.

    One could see a lesbian union as a marginalization of men, or a homosexual union as a marginalization of women.

    I don’t believe government should sanction the marginalization of any gender (or more importantly, parent). And even though some families can’t have children, or choose not to have children, you can’t separate the child-issue from the marriage issue.

    there is a great discussion here:

    http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/separate-but-equal/

    yes on prop 8!

    p.s. your blog is on a black list. awesome right?
    go here:
    http://lezgetreal.com/2008/10/yes-on-prop-8-blog-roll.html

  • 10. momwithavoice  |  October 23, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    I think one way we can continue to get involved is to donate more money. The No on 8 campaign is getting millions from Hollywood. Please join with Californians everywhere in protest by joining a donation blitz to the Yes on 8 campaign. If only half of the 600,000 people who already donated money gave an additional $10, we would raise $3 million. Imagine what would happen if they donated $20 each. Or $100? To donate, go to http://protectmarriage.com/ and follow the link Donate Now.

  • 11. Alfonse  |  October 26, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    I think that before making a decision about Prop. 8, we should consider how this will impact our friends, neighbors and maybe even our children – not while they’re in school, but when they’re adults. Gavin Newsom outlines it pretty well:

  • 12. Bio Teacher  |  October 28, 2008 at 5:05 am

    Wow such passion and misinformation. First, under the laws which govern the registered domestic partnerships, same sex couples can enjoy all of the legal rights that are guaranteed to couples who must by law register for their marriage license. The problem is only 5% of the same sex couples have filed for this protection. If they feel so passionate, why do they not take the steps necessary to ensure their rights are protected? Second, having just finished our unit on ecology, which covers such things as populations and genetic diversity, organisms which do not reproduce face extinction. By their choice to remove themselves from the natural order of all living things, does set the same sex couple apart. Third, since marriage is a title which is connected directly with religious commitment, marriage should be the label connected with that commitment. Couples who seek to not have a religious marriage and are “married” by a civic employee such as a city mayor, have selected to have a civil union/domestic partnership. The same sex community can have any kind of “party” celebrating their relationship, no one is stopping them. The support of prop 8 protects those who choose to practice their religion from same sex couples who will seek to be married religiously even though that life style goes against the religions moral code. Is that discriminating? No, that is religious freedom.

  • 13. losthillz  |  November 1, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    This is a message for anyone who would use the Bible and/or their Christian faith to claim that homosexuals deserve anything less than completely equal treatment under the eyes of the law, including the right to marry the person of their choice.

    It took almost 2000 years for extremist Christians to fully acknowledge the evils of slavery (which is clearly condoned in the Bible). Their mainstream brethren finally helped them understand.

    It took even longer for extremist Christians to accept the right to vote for women and non-whites. Their mainstream brethren dragged them along.

    It took even longer for extremist Christians to acknowledge that segregation was wrong. Their mainstream brethren showed them the way.

    It took even longer for extremist Christians to tolerate the right to inter-racial marriage. Their mainstream brethren set the example.

    In 2008, many church goers, clergy members, and religious scholars from around the Christian world respect gays and lesbians as equals, deserving of equal rights in the eyes of the law and, more importantly, completely deserving of God’s love – unconditionally.

    There are currently hundreds of rights afforded to married couples that are excluded to same –sex couples. Even if you favor allowing some sort of domestic partnership which provides these rights, you’ve got to understand that separate but equal is not equal under the US Constitution (see Brown v Board, 1954).

    Modern science is in complete agreement that sexual orientation has fundamental genetic, biologic, and developmental origins which establish sexual orientation by birth.

    God doesn’t make mistakes, and God doesn’t want you to treat others as if they were mistakes.

  • 14. Dan Pearce  |  November 3, 2008 at 7:25 am

    My God, who may be different from yours, supports the idea of the pursuit of happiness, and not imposing my will on others to their detriment. In my humble opinion, to invoke God’s name in support of Prop 8 is blasphemy. This sounds to me like an Imam proposing death to the infidels. Vote no on 8. It won’t diminish marriage, it won’t change what’s taught in school (to suggest this is disgraceful), it won’t endanger the tax free status of churches (although if they continue to meddle in politics perhaps they should loose it). This is discrimination and persecution. Let people live and love how they want.

  • 15. Wendy  |  November 3, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    My God may be different than yours but Prop 8 would only be blasphemy if it does not pass. No one is shouting “death to the infidels.” We praise the very idea of marriage and relish in the sanctity of said marriage between a man and a woman. As it says in the scripture, “What God has joined let no man put asunder.” I thank you for your opinion but I certainly hope and pray that Prop 8 passes for all of our sakes.

  • 16. dudley  |  November 4, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    You have to vote YES to control those damn fags! You can’t let them have what WE have. It actually doesn’t go far enough! It should restrict the rights of Blacks and Mexicans and Catholics too. We can’t let them get married! And don’t forget about Italians, Jews, Indians, Muslims, Irish, and them damn dirty Yankees. None of them should be allowed to marry. And Scientologists. Forget about it. And Bus Drivers. And Nurses. And Grocery Store Clerks. We need to control all these other people who are not like us. What will happen if they can get married? I’ll tell you… They will be married! Just like us. They don’t deserve it. Only we deserve it. We are the only ones who should be married – and we should be able to tell other people that they can’t be married.

  • 17. wkaneen  |  November 4, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Dudley-I think you missed the point of this proposition. It is not us who determined who should be married it is God. He created Adam and Eve and told them to multiply and replenish the earth. Gender is important we were males and females before we were born. This wasn’t a chance happening that one day bam we were a female or a male. We have always had gender. So I think you are a bit over the edge–reel it in a bit and I think you will be fine!

  • 18. dudley  |  June 19, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    I haven’t checked this blog for a while. But wkaneen, I must disagree with you. God did not create marriage. Zeus created marriage. God is a myth created by Hitler. Actually Zeus predicted in the ancient scrolls that Christians and SPECIFICALLY Catholics would someday want the right to marry. We must not stop our relentless pursuit to stop these Christians and other gay cults from participating in marriage. It’s for their own good. We wouldn’t want them burning forever in Hades, mining the red hot ore of Vulcan, would we? We stopped the gays for now – Now let’s go after the cult worshippers, starting with the Pope – he does not even believe in participating in procreation! These guys are the real culprits – they are trying to ruin the sanctity of marriage with their unnatural Christian agenda!

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